West: "increasing risk of unrest in China"

tai gok nang SG · 2009-02-16T21:16:09+00:00

No, I don’t think all the news reports by the ang mor begrudge PRC for her rising success.Rural folks are not so badly affected by economic downturns for the...

tai gok nang SG

Have you ever noticed a common clause added to the end of every report about the impact of economic slowdown on China?

Something like "increasing the risk of widespread unrest in China" in most western media and consequently 红毛 Ang-Moh's discussion forums.

I have been to China's countryside (Anhui, Yunnan, etc.) several times lately. There is a big gap between the city rich and the rural poor, yes. But life in Chinese countryside went on as usual. Unskilled labours who lost their factory jobs moved back to their rural homes but that doesn't seem to bother them much as long as their farmland is still there.

That is also true in Thailand now. People who lost their jobs just move back to plow their land. Laid off workers took to the street but there have been no bloody violence related to the massive lay-offs and most protests ended in a very short period of time after negotiation between the owners and the employees.

Farmland works as another form of "social security" in developing economies.

I think the West either lack genuine understanding about East Asia or have displayed their real desire to see the Orient, which has the potential to compete for resources in the future, falling apart.

Stevenson101 SG

It kinda makes them feel good to hear the less developed countries suffering.

I mean, it's hardly been a century that they were here the only ones wearing fancy clothes, employing our ancestors and enlightening the indigenous savages.

rokkie SG

It kinda makes them feel good to hear the less developed countries suffering.

I mean, it's hardly been a century that they were here the only ones wearing fancy clothes, employing our ancestors and enlightening the indigenous savages.

who is the savage? when the oriental is booming, the westerner is still barbaric, don't be down about yourself

Stevenson101 SG

who is the savage? when the oriental is booming, the westerner is still barbaric, don't be down about yourself

Heh trying to be sarcastic. I'm just saying what i think they're probably thinking.

But yes, i agree the recordwise i think the oriental was actually doing better overall than the West.

rokkie SG

if you happen to study history, the Roman inherit from Greek, Britain inherit from Roman, US inherit from britain,

And when the Greek is ruling, iran and iraq still united as Babylon, there are many civilisation, greater or equally great as west.

the Bear SG

this is from an angmoh newspaper.. so you probably will say it doesn't count

=> Violent Unrest in China

tai gok nang SG

this is from an angmoh newspaper.. so you probably will say it doesn't count

=> Violent Unrest in China

Yeah, I was exactly talking about this news.

Similar protests happen in Thailand too. You are probably not aware of them because Thailand is too small a target. But China is a big, sweet one. The articles are mostly written in a way that it is happening at every single corner of the country and as if the people are turning against the government.

And Times Online is the same newspaper, which quoted only part of a speech given by Thai Foreign Minister that the demonstration, which he also joined, was fun. In fact, it purposely left out the whole context. The story was twisted. So far there has been no apology from the writer.

rokkie SG

ease, there is no unrest in china, people still do what they should do.Making money, working. the guangdong part, is affected relatively bigger, they mainly depend on export, the export is shrinking, many factory shut down, the worker laid off, then we go back to farm land, let's why china by all means reserve a sufficient scale of farm land, to accomodate the jobless worker, when economy turns down.

Stevenson101 SG

this is from an angmoh newspaper.. so you probably will say it doesn't count

=> Violent Unrest in China

Won't say wouldn't care lah.

But it's no longer fashionable to tell outright lies, the trend is to take the portion of the truth they want to present and spam it so often that it becomes the whole and only truth that matters. Our media has often been accused of doing so no?

If our press and media can do this, there no reasons for me to doubt it would be done by the Western media, the Iraq war and the recent Israel/Palestinian conflict has already been more than adequate in demostrating this.

The Western world has already been shamed by the recent financial crisis, their vaulted ideals of Democracy and Free market Capitalism has shown its flaws. Thus they are eager to show their people the "mess" that is in the inferior, no freedom and authoritian societies.

Poh Ah Pak SG

Western media outlets better report fairly and don't spread biased propaganda like they did on Tibet and Georgian war.

All sorts of lies and false propaganda from western media.

Vladimir Putin: You know, your question doesn't surprise me. What really surprises me is how powerful the propaganda machine of the so-called "West" is. This is just amazing. This is unbelievable. This is totally incredible. And yet, it's happening.

http://www.russiatoday.com/

Arapahoe SG

Perharps the underlying problems was the inaction of the Chinese Govt fail to transfer its large foreign income into the public and private sectors......And the disguise of these reports simply reflect not the issue of social unrest but the failure of the system of income redistribution within China that trigger pocket of unrest within China.

The Western media do not report what is known to public. It provide voice for minority so that it balance out the individual with the large institution. And their voice be heard.

If you can only swim at the superficial level so be it.

Shotgun SG

Cos the west got people like John Mearsheimer that promote suscpicion towards China, that it is a rising hegemon with intent of challenging the US.

dragg SG

they are trying to divert attention away from their own problems.

its nothing new.

Stevenson101 SG

Cos the west got people like John Mearsheimer that promote suscpicion towards China, that it is a rising hegemon with intent of challenging the US.

I never quite understand this mentality. I mean to my knowledge, the US has never been invaded by other countries since the burning of Washington in 1814, even then it was in retaliation for the invasion of Canada. Unless you want to count Pancho Villa even though it was more of a raid than an actual war.

Yet somehow, they're so paranoid about the loss of dominance that it seems to defy all reasoning.

tai gok nang SG

The Western media do not report what is known to public. It provide voice for minority so that it balance out the individual with the large institution. And their voice be heard.

If you can only swim at the superficial level so be it.

Good point! However, I am not sure that is the case. We Thais, despite overwhelmingly under western influence, have begun to be very skeptical of such traditional notion since the coup of Sep 19.

I am sure all of you usually watch CNN and BBC or read The Economist to follow the recent political crisis in Thailand. The people, who called themselves PAD, dubbed the Yellow Shirt People, took to the street protesting against the attempt by the Pro-Thaksin Proxy Government to amend anti-corruption clauses in the Thai Constitutions. The Pro-Thaksin people's ultimate goal of amending the law was to abolish the court's power to punish corrupt politicians, including the exiled Thaksin. These western media still held an old belief that Thaksin was an elected PM, handed out money to the poor and was later toppled by a coup but (purposely) ignored the fact that he has an appalling record of human right abuses.

- Some 1,000 of innocent Thais have died in extrajudicial killings in his War On Drug Campaign 5 years ago.

- A businessman was gun down in northern Thailand 6 years ago after he demonstrated that Thaksin dodged tax payment worth billions of Baht in the past.

- One Muslim lawyer mysteriously disappeared after he attempted to uncover who commanded the mass killing of some 200 Thai Muslims in southern Thailand. His body has not been found until now.

Have you ever heard of these things in western media?

I am not done yet....

Last year, while Thailand was under the rule of Pro-Thaksin government, a large number of Yellow Shirt Protesters were hit, injured, amputated and killed with several bomb attacks.

And I don't want to show the following picture of a man with his both feet cut off and bleeding so bad because it may be obscene to you. The other man was bleeding after a rocket grenade was fired into the protest site.

http://pad.vfly.net/wp-content/uploads/yapb_cache/bomb_november_20.9mwsoep1kc8w00g0ow0s8w4k8.5e0bh3gigosg800ccgc4sk4kg.th.jpeg

*****You may find this video clip too offending.

http://video.sanook.com/%E0%B8%9E%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%98%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%95%E0%B8%A3_%E0%B8%82%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%82%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%94_%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%94%E0%B9%86!!!!-386769-player.html

Have you ever heard of or watched these things in western media?

Instead, western media called them "Royalist Thugs", "Elite", "Anti-Democratic", etc or only reported "they occupied the Airports."

And these have been totally absent from their reports. These ones show Pro-Thaksin (The Red Shirt People).

A 60-year old radio host in Chiangmai was gunned down in front of hundreds of people for he was against the Pro-Thaksin government. Normally, western media either did not report at all or showed only peaceful scenes of these people.

http://stream.ch7.com/News/Thai/2_29369_02_01_26112008194008.wmv

Have you ever heard of or watched these things in western media?

***Are western media the voice of minority?***

Stevenson101 SG

Well that certainly is interesting news we don't hear everyday.

Thanks for sharing.

tai gok nang SG

I had been a big fan of western media and believed that they represent the voice of minority, democracy, freedom, and our Asian counterparts are inferior.

But no longer.....

I used to believe in popular theory of China's collapse because I had only been exposed to western media. Once I had the opportunity to travel, roam and spend an amount of time staying in the peasants' shacks in some of China's poorest areas, they are eye-opening experiences for me and my view towards the West began to change.

Stevenson101 SG

I had been a big fan of western media and believed that they represent the voice of minority, democracy, freedom, and our Asian counterparts are inferior.

But no longer.....

I'm surprised though, i thought Thaksin's policies were quite nationalistic and anti West so i expected the Western media to be quite eager to point out the ills of the Thaksin government.

Poh Ah Pak SG

I had been a big fan of western media and believed that they represent the voice of minority, democracy, freedom, and our Asian counterparts are inferior.

That was naive of you to go and believe in western propaganda.

I regard most western media outlets as filth.

Some naive and gulliable people would be fooled by what they read in western mainstream propaganda media.

sgdiehard SG

The Western media do not report what is known to public. It provide voice for minority so that it balance out the individual with the large institution. And their voice be heard.

If you can only swim at the superficial level so be it.

the angmo can't wait to see China having unrest everywhere, they are hoping that eventually China would break up into small countries, like the old USSR. Old story liao.

Are wealth in the USA well distributed? if all Chinese can borrow from the US banks and don't have to pay, and wait for the government to pay billions to bail the banks out, there would not be any problem. What the Chinese government have done over the last 20 years to create and distribute wealth is well recognised. A chaotic China is no go Asia and even the world.

The western media reports issues that serve their purpose, minority or majority, no difference from the Apples Daily.

There are much more to be done in China, but China is so big and populous and it will take time for things to be done.

if you think too deep into everything, you may think you would drawn when the big boys pi.